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...and make people wait in line and jump through flaming hoops before they could get a glimpse of me atall on my personal turf.....
Ah, I'm in one of my "Why am I not more of a social asshole?" moods.......don't ask why unless you're in the 'otherkin' loop, otherwise you'll miss the forest for the strangeness of the trees.
Admittedly, I can easily be more of one -- really, I've been trying already lately. I even warned people about the ginsus in a totally-revised profile-page, just so no one could make the mistake of thinking that I was some mild and milky-winged avatar of never-being-offended by the shite people try to deal me (or others in general) online. You mess with me, you get the blades deployed in your general-or-specific direction...could I be any more clearer with the caveat?
Now. We all know that there are a lot of people out there...and that a lot of those people aren't exactly scrupulous in their dealings with their own minds and memories. I am -- perhaps even too much so, atimes. A lot of people play fast and loose with everything that they know very little about -- I don't. Yet, in no other "culture" on earth or heaven as that which I find mostly ensconced, is a person's entire sanity consistently and perpetually put to question merely on account of peer-pressure and embedded hyper-skepticism. There is a pathology to this "commmunity" -- or at least to a good many of its manifestations on LJ -- to which I do not have any desire to subject myself on a continuing basis, as I find it frustrating, enervating and frankly maddening.
Therefore, I'm not much in a mood to join any further groups, and may even withdraw from the ones that I'm in, where the level of group consensus is marked and bogged down by zealous contrarianism and attempts to always tear down, never dig for supports. Likewise, and as I've probably said before, I've no liking for groups that take everything at face value and challenge nothing, or allow no challenges once a view is spoken, no matter how far-out, half-baked, extreme or offensive. Those groups, and those people, offend ME. They offend my sensibilities as a scrupulously intelligent being who nonetheless knows things that he cannot necessarily prove to any-and-all comers, because there are a lot of people out there who have already chosen their "belief" either way and refuse to be swayed by anything that is not it or does not neatly-validate it. That's their problem, not mine.....why should I even admit their existence in this world, let alone that they have any right to evaluate what they cannot see to disprove it?
The absence of evidence is not the evidence of absence. Refusal (or inability) to observe the evidence does not negate its existence. In the kingdom of the blind, the one-eyed man is adjudged to be suffering from hallucinations -- but does that mean he does not see?
I'm going to be putting a lot more effort into building/growing my own groups and communities, both here and on Yahell, because I do not think that my concept of "anderen" (clustered/interrelated and consciously-purposeful 'otherness') will ever be really respected within the officialdoms of the so-called 'otherkin community' -- even though that is only part of its most-prominent cluster. I have no desire to be constantly arguing for the merely-basic validity of something that needs to be moving beyond the stage of "proposal" and into that of application, exploration and action, particularly with people who have no idea how much of my life has been building into this. If you know me, you know that I have my groups listed right there on the side of my LJ page....if you're interested, check them out. I could use some non-kneejerk types to kick in their thoughts and experience without getting all orthodox-wankerish on me.
That all said and duly thrown out on the winds...I have a few probationers on my flist, and for either lack of personal relevance or lack of activity on their accounts, I shall be deleting them next time I'm on -- I've already gotten rid of a few names that had no activity, no mutual-friending and/or not enough shared interests to fill a thimble. If you think/know that you are in this category and yet want to remain on my flist, post something to make me change my mind. (Admittedly, I hardly ever respond to ultimatums of this sort unless I really really want to retain a contact, so do feel free to ignore me if you actually don't give a damn.)
There. If I think your hangouts are worth it I'll give 'em the time of day.....apart from that, my soul shall tend to be quite selective with its company, on an individual and not established-communal basis -- at least for this slice of cyberlife. And if the mods don't like me not bending to get into their groups and and play nice by their rules, they can all go bugger themselves with fresh-picked pineapples.
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(If you read this and are violently offended, chances are that you're already slated for flist-eviction, if indeed you were ever personally on my flist atall, or ever . Good day.)
Ah, I'm in one of my "Why am I not more of a social asshole?" moods.......don't ask why unless you're in the 'otherkin' loop, otherwise you'll miss the forest for the strangeness of the trees.
Admittedly, I can easily be more of one -- really, I've been trying already lately. I even warned people about the ginsus in a totally-revised profile-page, just so no one could make the mistake of thinking that I was some mild and milky-winged avatar of never-being-offended by the shite people try to deal me (or others in general) online. You mess with me, you get the blades deployed in your general-or-specific direction...could I be any more clearer with the caveat?
Now. We all know that there are a lot of people out there...and that a lot of those people aren't exactly scrupulous in their dealings with their own minds and memories. I am -- perhaps even too much so, atimes. A lot of people play fast and loose with everything that they know very little about -- I don't. Yet, in no other "culture" on earth or heaven as that which I find mostly ensconced, is a person's entire sanity consistently and perpetually put to question merely on account of peer-pressure and embedded hyper-skepticism. There is a pathology to this "commmunity" -- or at least to a good many of its manifestations on LJ -- to which I do not have any desire to subject myself on a continuing basis, as I find it frustrating, enervating and frankly maddening.
Therefore, I'm not much in a mood to join any further groups, and may even withdraw from the ones that I'm in, where the level of group consensus is marked and bogged down by zealous contrarianism and attempts to always tear down, never dig for supports. Likewise, and as I've probably said before, I've no liking for groups that take everything at face value and challenge nothing, or allow no challenges once a view is spoken, no matter how far-out, half-baked, extreme or offensive. Those groups, and those people, offend ME. They offend my sensibilities as a scrupulously intelligent being who nonetheless knows things that he cannot necessarily prove to any-and-all comers, because there are a lot of people out there who have already chosen their "belief" either way and refuse to be swayed by anything that is not it or does not neatly-validate it. That's their problem, not mine.....why should I even admit their existence in this world, let alone that they have any right to evaluate what they cannot see to disprove it?
The absence of evidence is not the evidence of absence. Refusal (or inability) to observe the evidence does not negate its existence. In the kingdom of the blind, the one-eyed man is adjudged to be suffering from hallucinations -- but does that mean he does not see?
I'm going to be putting a lot more effort into building/growing my own groups and communities, both here and on Yahell, because I do not think that my concept of "anderen" (clustered/interrelated and consciously-purposeful 'otherness') will ever be really respected within the officialdoms of the so-called 'otherkin community' -- even though that is only part of its most-prominent cluster. I have no desire to be constantly arguing for the merely-basic validity of something that needs to be moving beyond the stage of "proposal" and into that of application, exploration and action, particularly with people who have no idea how much of my life has been building into this. If you know me, you know that I have my groups listed right there on the side of my LJ page....if you're interested, check them out. I could use some non-kneejerk types to kick in their thoughts and experience without getting all orthodox-wankerish on me.
That all said and duly thrown out on the winds...I have a few probationers on my flist, and for either lack of personal relevance or lack of activity on their accounts, I shall be deleting them next time I'm on -- I've already gotten rid of a few names that had no activity, no mutual-friending and/or not enough shared interests to fill a thimble. If you think/know that you are in this category and yet want to remain on my flist, post something to make me change my mind. (Admittedly, I hardly ever respond to ultimatums of this sort unless I really really want to retain a contact, so do feel free to ignore me if you actually don't give a damn.)
There. If I think your hangouts are worth it I'll give 'em the time of day.....apart from that, my soul shall tend to be quite selective with its company, on an individual and not established-communal basis -- at least for this slice of cyberlife. And if the mods don't like me not bending to get into their groups and and play nice by their rules, they can all go bugger themselves with fresh-picked pineapples.
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(If you read this and are violently offended, chances are that you're already slated for flist-eviction, if indeed you were ever personally on my flist atall, or ever . Good day.)
Litharriel, love, you can see my frustration here that's kept me up so late...I'm about at the end of my patience for wasting-of-time in this line. Reading anything, some nights, just makes me wonder why bother dealing with the dogfights, and (at the present moment) who the hell was/were so naive as to let this "phenomenon" develop in any other way than a secretive, actively-searching (and researching) and undeniably-serious gnostic underground web, until there was enough to come out in the light with, no internal doubts and schisms. At least that's what I would have done with it.....but then, I'm hardly everyone, I've got an overdeveloped sense of things needfully making sense, and I certainly don't control the Internet. (If I did, I'd long since have destroyed all pop-up advertising. :-|)
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I can certainly sympathize with strategic self-isolation...IM invisibility, too, is a definite blessing, as there are many times that I am simply not in the mood to even start explaining what's up with my mood to anyone who isn't familiar to it.
The concept of Anderen is probably not too difficult or off-center so far as Otherkin goes, 'cause it enables it according to whatever origin-theory one's using. The most-basic well-researched thing that it draws on is the typical leftbrain/rightbrain mental and perceptive differences (dyslexia, lefthandedness; autism-spectrum variations), as well as the character-traits associated with those who habitually have nightmares and/or vivid dreams -- basically, that some people are more likely than others to "awaken"...to past lives, to psychic abilities and instinct for magery, to energy-feeding needs/skills, to multiple facets of self-awareness or even multiple souls inside one incarnation, to sensual and sexual 'deviancy' from the social norm, to gender dysphoria and/or to 'species dysphoria' -- i.e., Otherkin as per its classical definition of being "other than human", which has come to encompass by default many of the above things which are not strictly 'it' per se. One of these basic traits might be a fluke, perhaps, in an otherwise "normal" consciousness (and be internally vacillated about as such), but having two or three or more of them tends to show a more definite image of what I call a 'cluster profile' -- and it's the people that have more of this sort of personal profile that I'd call Anderen, as they are distinctly and consciously "other" from most of the standard assumptions of human social identity.
That's an extemporaneous seed that I'll enlarge on more at the site....basically, it leads off the 'conscious identity' angle with reasoning as to who is most likely to have that identity ("for real") and what are the possible purposes to its awakening in the first place....though certainly I've no intention of getting as fluffy and whitelight as the self-appointed impresarios of the Indigo phenomenon. :P I may be an "adult Indigo", but what that mainly means to me is that I'm here to help cut the massive accumulation of crap in this world and make it a more balanced and intelligent place.
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Hmmm...Anderen sounds really familiar. It resembles some of the neurobiological theories I've seen bounced around the therian community in particular. This is a decent essay on the idea from that perspective.
I'm definitely going to have to poke through the archives of the FAQ group and other links you've got--I'm intrigued :) Being left handed, a vivid dreamer, somewhat dysphoric in both gender and species, part-time aspected (i.e., as needed for metamorphic magic), etc., this all sounds very familair, and it'd be intersting to see what comes of this particular thread of study of the human condition.
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The problem with LJ communities is that they really don't get anywhere....most people (even me) will not automatically, upon joining/watching, go back to the beginning of the entries and find out what is considered "settled" in the way of topics and controversies (if indeed they ever are), and so each new post and comment brings with it a potential re-opening of cans of worms that have never been fully digested in the first place. They don't progress, and it's not easily apparent to see how (or if) attitudes and issues have been resolved, in order that one can move on from there and not keep running in circles. At least with YahooGroups you can rig up as many autosend-files as you want on how things are run and what is closed and what is open and what the basic stance of the founding/leading members is on certain matters....helps keep the trouble down, especially if someone's so daft or paranoid or unimaginative as to have nothing in their profile. I ought to start asking for blog and website URLs in group applications there, to see what people are really like before I let them in.....:-?
Enh, wandering a bit there, but it is a thought.
I really dislike the narrow and hair-splitting definitions that get foisted about as the only "real" way to go -- especially when they discount and subtly (or not) ridicule things that make the most sense to me, like reincarnation or the reality of the soul, my soul, in whose history/evolution my memories have their reason for existing. If you don't believe that your own soul really exists, fine, but leave the validity of everyone else's alone...:P
I think what I'm trying to do with the Anderen_FAQ is keep it organised as a resource by starting with the articles/essays and then letting everyone weigh in on them personally, but not making any initial entry one that's one-sided or deliberately inflammatory, just as well-supported and balanced as possible. That makes it less likely to get overtly argumentative comments, and it means that the original posts can be kept and revised as reference material for people happening on the site (and/or the culture) for the first time.
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Litha says she prefers "Sven", by the way.....
--and on that (half-)note, I am rather in a good mood lately about the effectiveness of my energy-healing technique, which I've learned to use recently as a combination of massage and manual 'surgery' and radiation therapy -- all from a distance while online, moreover. Just in case you were curious what that recent friendslocked post really meant. It means my shamanic skills are getting more definitely well-honed.
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Well...light combats shadow, right?....basic logic -- so what I did was use the purest and most intense form of light I could recall -- my memories of being 'born' for the first time, as an angel. The rest was channeling that through in technique. Basically I broke it up inside so it was able to be coughed up -- there was a metallic blood-aftertaste, I was told in the later portion of it. So basically it was intensive "radiation therapy" in that respect.
My understanding of healing and everything else on the astral is that distance doesn't matter so long as the focus is there. It's an illusion -- when I move my hands in massage or scanning in front of the computer monitor, or press energy through the glass itself, I am interacting with the person 'on the other end' as definitely and purposefully as if they were sitting right in front of me. The shared visual "space" of the monitor in front of each of us just simplifies the matter of where to direct oneself.
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I have found that I have less and less time for those who are unwilling to accept me as I am. Therefore I chose to spend more time with the people who do. As such I am encouraging them to interact.
I hope you enjoyed meeting my dear friend Altrus.
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I'm trying to remember meeting Altrus, and I'm not sure that I have yet, unless we crossed paths in commentary on an earlier post?....:-? I'm all for interacting, though, and am going to be focusing a lot more of my attention on the individuals I actually want to hang around with mentally. (Some may call it bias; I call it avoiding murderous insanity. :P)
That is the thing, isn't it?--actually finding people who accept you as you are is no less rare in the whole of online than in RL -- you're just running into different various selections and levels of the overall population. And a lot of one's online life is in learning the most-efficient methods for avoiding wasting time on those that aren't (to be temporally pragmatic) worth the social energy, and maximizing the contact with those that are.
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Okay, that clarifies....lol Should have guessed that the group's a bit small to be turning up anywhere I haven't been actively shilling it -- or have interested connections. Anyone who can bring the Upanishads into genuine conversation is on a level I can certainly relate to.
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I believe I have an additional kin emerging. I have felt out of sorts over the last few days and then started to get tactile and visual memories, very dark and grizly ones at that. The cat can relate, the angel is utterly horrified. Then I started recalling the urges and realized the other was a vampire.
I have to explore it more.
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The one person I've met online who has recounted specific+believable sang-vampiric memories of her own (and who is not atall fond of me or my verbose involvement in 'otherkin-theory', btw) is also part of a multiple system...anyhow, despite my dislike for her defensiveness, I say she presents a pretty logical picture so far as an actual vampiric species per se (virally spread, no religious proscriptions or sunlight=death), even though it overlaps a lot with elements of the "Underworld" mythos....trying to remember just where she posted on it, but anyhow....
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I would miss them if they went away.
It's sad to hear that people are being
so very upsetting to you.
I hope our shared interests equal more
than a thimble full (I must say.. that
was eloquently put)
Blessings,
*offers you chocolate and backs away slowly*
Nava
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I am not always sweet, and people sometimes mistake that for me trying to tear them down so they try to tear me down instead. Not that it works, but it pisses me off and lingers, and most of this has come from people who are active in otherkin groups. That's why I rarely post in communities on LJ now unless I have some administrative control, like with anderen_faq (which is a theory/discussion area to the group I have on Yahoo at http://hroups.yahoo.com/group/anderen_vereinigte ).
I know we have more than a thimble-full of interests and you are very kind to be concerned for me.
Blessings,
Aurey
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:) Love Nava
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I'm on the Anderen elist and I watch
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Actually, my mission now is going to be more on the order of "finding good people to talk to away from the crowds/distractions", and if they happen to find anderen_faq useful, that's a major plus. So you're quite safe.
(And I don't agree that you should be blocked from posting anything online, either.)
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I have no idea if you are interested in adding me, however from what I have read thus far of your writing, I like the way you think and articulate yourself.
I have had my own personal issues with the Kin and OVP worlds, this most recent event which you are referring to is the first time I have made an appearance in either of those worlds in gods...a couple years due to how I was treated for having a different point of view from some of the "Fearless Leaders." That and people who start little events like the one going on now irritate the hell out of me....but I digress...
The Stargate comment was brilliant by the way.
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And another and crucial issue was the whole "You're all delusional and let me prove it" attitude that one (non-kin) member had -- well, you'd be amazed at the tolerance that some otherkin have for people who are bent on attacking their sanity...it's almost like they're cowed by the whole clustering of "mental disorders" about them (bipolarity and ADD and Aspergers and dyslexia being high correlates) and can't rouse the energy to defend themselves as being sane at all. Or even to simply toss the troll out of the group, which I suggested was our right -- funny, he had more "friends" there, though, who'd rather attack me for rocking the boat.
I'm rambling. I should be in bed, 'cause my multitasking has taken this into broad daylight. Anyhow, that's a brief summary of what issues I've had with LJ comms -- in the ones on Yahell, I tend to find the opposite problem of being too careful and harmoniously-shallow and too accepting-of-everyone-and-whatever-they-say, and so openminded that with some you can hear the etheric winds blowing through and taking tumbleweeds with 'em. Many a tale I could tell...*sigh*
But it's good to have a real group rumble bringin' up the energy level again, 'cause I think otherkin often forget who their real 'enemies' are online -- the people who don't think enough, don't use logic at all, or simplify things into absurdities around their own sense of self-importance. Differences of personal belief within the subculture are fairly negligible compared to outright arrogant idiocy plus delusions.